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		<title>Comment on Festifall 2011: Welcome to Willville by Administrator</title>
		<link>http://citizenwill.org/2011/10/03/festifall-2011-welcome-to-willville/comment-page-1/#comment-103574</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2011 01:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Zabouti for both the kind comments and the willingness to test my beta fix. Sorry for the earlier commenting difficulty.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Festifall 2011: Welcome to Willville by zabouti</title>
		<link>http://citizenwill.org/2011/10/03/festifall-2011-welcome-to-willville/comment-page-1/#comment-103573</link>
		<dc:creator>zabouti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2011 01:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m so glad you&#039;re on the job, Will!  The only reason I go is to see the community groups - the art stopped being especially original or interesting a long time ago, leaving people watching, politics, and community orgs left.  Last year I got a cool smoke alarm from the fire dept!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so glad you&#8217;re on the job, Will!  The only reason I go is to see the community groups &#8211; the art stopped being especially original or interesting a long time ago, leaving people watching, politics, and community orgs left.  Last year I got a cool smoke alarm from the fire dept!!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Snobarista by jcb</title>
		<link>http://citizenwill.org/2011/04/22/snobarista/comment-page-1/#comment-103568</link>
		<dc:creator>jcb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2011 18:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One place I always enjoy the service is (what is now) Red Bicycle.  Under the previous owner, I knew the reason to be because he paid above average wages to reduce turnover.  I don&#039;t know if that&#039;s still true, but the service is still much better than some others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One place I always enjoy the service is (what is now) Red Bicycle.  Under the previous owner, I knew the reason to be because he paid above average wages to reduce turnover.  I don&#8217;t know if that&#8217;s still true, but the service is still much better than some others.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Snobarista by Administrator</title>
		<link>http://citizenwill.org/2011/04/22/snobarista/comment-page-1/#comment-103567</link>
		<dc:creator>Administrator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Apr 2011 00:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So it isn&#039;t just me, my wife or other friends? 

I thought at first I&#039;d simply stick with endorsing a few of the places we like to frequent but the change at both Open Eye and Driade has been so disappointing I went ahead and called them out by name.

I really like Driade&#039;s location, it&#039;s quite accessible via our backyard and the Bolin Creek trail. We used to meet fellow families there - sometimes gathering several dozen folks to sit out back with the kids as we bought several rounds of coffee.

We went there for many years - learning to tolerate the growing problems as its level of service and cleanliness declined.

Like I said in my post, there were still a couple baristas there who were friendly and efficient but the trend was set - it was more likely than not you would end up with surly service - grudgingly taking orders, acting as if they were doing us a &quot;favor&quot;.

The final straw happened several years ago when my son got an adulterated coffee milkshake (previously a family favorite).  When he started to drink it he found a bunch of solid bits mixed in.  My son and wife quickly discovered that one or more wooden stirrers had been ground up into the mix.  

When my wife brought it to Driade&#039;s snobarista&#039;s attention his response was &quot;Huh...wonder how it got there?&quot;. 

No apology. No offer to fix the problem. Instead he turned to the next customer, pointedly ignoring my wife.

That was it. They finally lost a family of customers (and their friends) who had been going there since it opened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So it isn&#8217;t just me, my wife or other friends? </p>
<p>I thought at first I&#8217;d simply stick with endorsing a few of the places we like to frequent but the change at both Open Eye and Driade has been so disappointing I went ahead and called them out by name.</p>
<p>I really like Driade&#8217;s location, it&#8217;s quite accessible via our backyard and the Bolin Creek trail. We used to meet fellow families there &#8211; sometimes gathering several dozen folks to sit out back with the kids as we bought several rounds of coffee.</p>
<p>We went there for many years &#8211; learning to tolerate the growing problems as its level of service and cleanliness declined.</p>
<p>Like I said in my post, there were still a couple baristas there who were friendly and efficient but the trend was set &#8211; it was more likely than not you would end up with surly service &#8211; grudgingly taking orders, acting as if they were doing us a &#8220;favor&#8221;.</p>
<p>The final straw happened several years ago when my son got an adulterated coffee milkshake (previously a family favorite).  When he started to drink it he found a bunch of solid bits mixed in.  My son and wife quickly discovered that one or more wooden stirrers had been ground up into the mix.  </p>
<p>When my wife brought it to Driade&#8217;s snobarista&#8217;s attention his response was &#8220;Huh&#8230;wonder how it got there?&#8221;. </p>
<p>No apology. No offer to fix the problem. Instead he turned to the next customer, pointedly ignoring my wife.</p>
<p>That was it. They finally lost a family of customers (and their friends) who had been going there since it opened.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Snobarista by zabouti</title>
		<link>http://citizenwill.org/2011/04/22/snobarista/comment-page-1/#comment-103566</link>
		<dc:creator>zabouti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2011 22:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got to agree with you about Open Eye.  Apparently they&#039;re doing me a favor with they &quot;serve&quot; me coffee or tea.  I avoid the place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got to agree with you about Open Eye.  Apparently they&#8217;re doing me a favor with they &#8220;serve&#8221; me coffee or tea.  I avoid the place.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Easthom: Let&#8217;s Revisit Lake Jordan by Administrator</title>
		<link>http://citizenwill.org/2011/04/10/easthom-lets-revisit-lake-jordan/comment-page-1/#comment-103565</link>
		<dc:creator>Administrator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 02:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very timely reply Xan.  

I just had a very rousing meeting with a local group committed to improving the Bolin Creek watershed.  The issue is a bit tough as 7 or 8 distinct governmental agencies control that corridor&#039;s future.  There&#039;s been a lot of back-n-forth in terms of policy but we decided that if we looked as hard as Fox, we would find that the truth is out there - somewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very timely reply Xan.  </p>
<p>I just had a very rousing meeting with a local group committed to improving the Bolin Creek watershed.  The issue is a bit tough as 7 or 8 distinct governmental agencies control that corridor&#8217;s future.  There&#8217;s been a lot of back-n-forth in terms of policy but we decided that if we looked as hard as Fox, we would find that the truth is out there &#8211; somewhere.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Easthom: Let&#8217;s Revisit Lake Jordan by xan</title>
		<link>http://citizenwill.org/2011/04/10/easthom-lets-revisit-lake-jordan/comment-page-1/#comment-103564</link>
		<dc:creator>xan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Apr 2011 00:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Lake Jordan&quot;? I&#039;ve only heard that name order in X-Files, season 1 episode 12:

http://koosn.tripod.com/e-beyond.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Lake Jordan&#8221;? I&#8217;ve only heard that name order in X-Files, season 1 episode 12:</p>
<p><a href="http://koosn.tripod.com/e-beyond.html" rel="nofollow">http://koosn.tripod.com/e-beyond.html</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Orange County Dems: Thanks for the Consideration&#8230; by Administrator</title>
		<link>http://citizenwill.org/2011/04/09/orange-county-dems-thanks-for-the-consideration/comment-page-1/#comment-103563</link>
		<dc:creator>Administrator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Apr 2011 02:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re welcome Jason.  The BOCC&#039;s do face some tough budget decisions but I&#039;d rather see another prenatal nurse providing community health outreach than a repaved running track at one of our schools. 

As you know, the rotten economy has spurred demand - Orange County is creeping towards a 20% poverty rate, while the unemployed rate seems to have stabilized (I think folks have given up) we know there are many who are underemployed, the number of local families who are one paycheck away from ruin is way up. At the same time we&#039;ve closed local clinics, put a crimp on parolee services, cutback community health outreach, etc. One dollar of that $1.6M I advocated for will do more to increase the capacity and improve the delivery of service to the growing local population of folks on the edge (or off) than it will within the school districts.   

Just as State and Federal support wanes for critical services, prioritizing these services in the budget is critical. If we don&#039;t start now to close the gap that has been widening over the last five years, then when?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re welcome Jason.  The BOCC&#8217;s do face some tough budget decisions but I&#8217;d rather see another prenatal nurse providing community health outreach than a repaved running track at one of our schools. </p>
<p>As you know, the rotten economy has spurred demand &#8211; Orange County is creeping towards a 20% poverty rate, while the unemployed rate seems to have stabilized (I think folks have given up) we know there are many who are underemployed, the number of local families who are one paycheck away from ruin is way up. At the same time we&#8217;ve closed local clinics, put a crimp on parolee services, cutback community health outreach, etc. One dollar of that $1.6M I advocated for will do more to increase the capacity and improve the delivery of service to the growing local population of folks on the edge (or off) than it will within the school districts.   </p>
<p>Just as State and Federal support wanes for critical services, prioritizing these services in the budget is critical. If we don&#8217;t start now to close the gap that has been widening over the last five years, then when?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Orange County Dems: Thanks for the Consideration&#8230; by Jason Baker</title>
		<link>http://citizenwill.org/2011/04/09/orange-county-dems-thanks-for-the-consideration/comment-page-1/#comment-103562</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Apr 2011 23:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for bringing the amendment, Will.  Whether or not they ultimately get funded out of the sales tax, I have this sinking feeling that the county is about to get stuck between a rock and a hard place when it comes to human services funding. I&#039;m not envious of the folks drawing the budget for the coming year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for bringing the amendment, Will.  Whether or not they ultimately get funded out of the sales tax, I have this sinking feeling that the county is about to get stuck between a rock and a hard place when it comes to human services funding. I&#8217;m not envious of the folks drawing the budget for the coming year.</p>
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		<title>Comment on OWASA: Penalizing Conservation by Terri Buckner</title>
		<link>http://citizenwill.org/2011/03/03/owasa-penalizing-conservation/comment-page-1/#comment-103561</link>
		<dc:creator>Terri Buckner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Mar 2011 18:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We disagree on this one Will. If water was cheap, where would the incentive come from to conserve? That&#039;s part of the problem we have now with electricity and with gas. We&#039;ve become so dependent on cheap utilities that we behave as if there is an endless supply of raw materials. 

Unlike OWASA, other utilities pass on the cost of upgrading their infrastructure at the time of need rather than all along as the machinery and equipment is depreciating/aging. Look at beach communities, like Beaufort, or locally, Pittsboro, if you want a good example. OWASA builds in the cost of maintenance with current service costs. So the people who are here now, using the services, are paying for the full cost of the utility which includes the water, the staff, the equipment, and the maintenance. If the towns (and the school system) would calculate maintenance into their operating budgets, we&#039;d probably have fewer buildings, less equipment, and instead of having classrooms with mold, we&#039;d have nice healthy environments for our children.

If you want a challenge, try to get the projected growth numbers from OWASA that are driving the need for this Jordan Lake allocation. You&#039;ll learn that they &quot;worked with town staff&quot; to determine the demand at full build out 10-15 years ago, but I&#039;ve never been able to get the details of what &quot;full build out&quot; means. When the towns decided to increase density by building up, did that change the projection numbers? Is that why we need to Jordan Lake back up allocation? The rock quarry was supposed to be sufficient to need our needs into 2050. On this issue, I miss Bill Strom. He would have opposed it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We disagree on this one Will. If water was cheap, where would the incentive come from to conserve? That&#8217;s part of the problem we have now with electricity and with gas. We&#8217;ve become so dependent on cheap utilities that we behave as if there is an endless supply of raw materials. </p>
<p>Unlike OWASA, other utilities pass on the cost of upgrading their infrastructure at the time of need rather than all along as the machinery and equipment is depreciating/aging. Look at beach communities, like Beaufort, or locally, Pittsboro, if you want a good example. OWASA builds in the cost of maintenance with current service costs. So the people who are here now, using the services, are paying for the full cost of the utility which includes the water, the staff, the equipment, and the maintenance. If the towns (and the school system) would calculate maintenance into their operating budgets, we&#8217;d probably have fewer buildings, less equipment, and instead of having classrooms with mold, we&#8217;d have nice healthy environments for our children.</p>
<p>If you want a challenge, try to get the projected growth numbers from OWASA that are driving the need for this Jordan Lake allocation. You&#8217;ll learn that they &#8220;worked with town staff&#8221; to determine the demand at full build out 10-15 years ago, but I&#8217;ve never been able to get the details of what &#8220;full build out&#8221; means. When the towns decided to increase density by building up, did that change the projection numbers? Is that why we need to Jordan Lake back up allocation? The rock quarry was supposed to be sufficient to need our needs into 2050. On this issue, I miss Bill Strom. He would have opposed it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Water, Water, Everywhere&#8230; by Administrator</title>
		<link>http://citizenwill.org/2011/03/01/water-water-everywhere/comment-page-1/#comment-103560</link>
		<dc:creator>Administrator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Mar 2011 02:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good question Terri, wish I knew.  Mark said &quot;that&#039;s 7 to 2&quot; and moved on.  It wasn&#039;t Jim - could&#039;ve been Gene and Penny.  I&#039;ll find out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good question Terri, wish I knew.  Mark said &#8220;that&#8217;s 7 to 2&#8243; and moved on.  It wasn&#8217;t Jim &#8211; could&#8217;ve been Gene and Penny.  I&#8217;ll find out.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Water, Water, Everywhere&#8230; by Terri Buckner</title>
		<link>http://citizenwill.org/2011/03/01/water-water-everywhere/comment-page-1/#comment-103559</link>
		<dc:creator>Terri Buckner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Mar 2011 02:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for posting this, Will. I had forgotten this was on the agenda after all the excitement of the food truck discussion.

Who was the single vote against the deal?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for posting this, Will. I had forgotten this was on the agenda after all the excitement of the food truck discussion.</p>
<p>Who was the single vote against the deal?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Personnel Appeals Hearing Clyde Clark: Evidence and Process by hhoward</title>
		<link>http://citizenwill.org/2011/02/09/personnel-appeals-hearing-clyde-clark-evidence-and-process/comment-page-1/#comment-103558</link>
		<dc:creator>hhoward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Feb 2011 01:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Will. More to follow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Will. More to follow.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Clark/Bigelow: Fateful Due Process by Terri Buckner</title>
		<link>http://citizenwill.org/2011/02/10/clarkbigelow-fateful-due-process/comment-page-1/#comment-103557</link>
		<dc:creator>Terri Buckner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Feb 2011 12:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To me the issue that MUST be dealt with is the town&#039;s HR rules compliance (town code as well as SOP). There is no excuse for this situation to have gone this far without any attempt at mediation. Even if Public Works has its internal problems (which seems very obvious), the HR department should have intervened. The HR department should have been involved in every step along the way as soon as Norris determined this to be a serious incident. HR should have reviewed the pre-disciplinary hearing letter and after the men left the hearing, they should have attempted mediation. It is not in the town&#039;s best interest, let alone that of these two men, to have this public circus.

In addition to the wasted money and the ruined reputations of the two men, I&#039;m afraid there will also be more fear on the part of employees to speak up when problems occur.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me the issue that MUST be dealt with is the town&#8217;s HR rules compliance (town code as well as SOP). There is no excuse for this situation to have gone this far without any attempt at mediation. Even if Public Works has its internal problems (which seems very obvious), the HR department should have intervened. The HR department should have been involved in every step along the way as soon as Norris determined this to be a serious incident. HR should have reviewed the pre-disciplinary hearing letter and after the men left the hearing, they should have attempted mediation. It is not in the town&#8217;s best interest, let alone that of these two men, to have this public circus.</p>
<p>In addition to the wasted money and the ruined reputations of the two men, I&#8217;m afraid there will also be more fear on the part of employees to speak up when problems occur.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Personnel Appeals Hearing Clyde Clark: Evidence and Process by Administrator</title>
		<link>http://citizenwill.org/2011/02/09/personnel-appeals-hearing-clyde-clark-evidence-and-process/comment-page-1/#comment-103556</link>
		<dc:creator>Administrator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Feb 2011 05:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harv, in the Harry Potter books (I&#039;ve only seen the movies) there is a character called Voldemort.  Because he is such a deadly menace everyone refers to him as &quot;He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named&quot;.

Throughout this whole process there has been an unhealthy undertow caused by an event which no one will describe and a person who remained nameless.

The Town was happy, it seems to me, to heap every misery in the PW department on this nameless one - which seems awfully convenient.

Having only looked at the operations of the Town from the outside, having only talked to a couple dozen staff members with serious complaints the last decade, my take is that there were and remain substantial structural issues within the organization tracing their lineage back to Cal Horton&#039;s reign.  Dumping it on one person just doesn&#039;t jibe with what I know now.

I didn&#039;t realize until several months afterwards that you no longer worked for the Town.  I thought it was an amicable separation and you had moved on to greener pastures. Now I realize that something happened - do know what - and you lost your job because of it.  

The way Town tried to skirt mentioning that incident (or incidents) only added to the festering feel of the current Bigelow/Clark mess.

What happened? Can you talk about it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harv, in the Harry Potter books (I&#8217;ve only seen the movies) there is a character called Voldemort.  Because he is such a deadly menace everyone refers to him as &#8220;He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named&#8221;.</p>
<p>Throughout this whole process there has been an unhealthy undertow caused by an event which no one will describe and a person who remained nameless.</p>
<p>The Town was happy, it seems to me, to heap every misery in the PW department on this nameless one &#8211; which seems awfully convenient.</p>
<p>Having only looked at the operations of the Town from the outside, having only talked to a couple dozen staff members with serious complaints the last decade, my take is that there were and remain substantial structural issues within the organization tracing their lineage back to Cal Horton&#8217;s reign.  Dumping it on one person just doesn&#8217;t jibe with what I know now.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t realize until several months afterwards that you no longer worked for the Town.  I thought it was an amicable separation and you had moved on to greener pastures. Now I realize that something happened &#8211; do know what &#8211; and you lost your job because of it.  </p>
<p>The way Town tried to skirt mentioning that incident (or incidents) only added to the festering feel of the current Bigelow/Clark mess.</p>
<p>What happened? Can you talk about it?</p>
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